Wisdom Is Misery

July23rd

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Culturally speaking, I don’t know what dominates the conversations of other races, but as a black man it is rare for me to go more than a week without hearing, seeing, or reading some kind of comment or opinion on interracial dating. Sometimes directed right at me. I consider this to be one of the least important topics on Earth, but it seems that people are endlessly fascinated with it.

“You may be shocked to find out that I have participated in my fair share of interracial dating over the years,” W.I.M. said sarcastically. Therefore, I thought I’d give some background on my experiences. This wasn’t limited to only white women as some might suspect. I’ve dated women from a myriad of racial backgrounds. In the vein of honesty, I must admit that at one point I did go as far as to stop dating black women – but I’m getting ahead of myself.

For informational purposes and for those of you who don’t know me let me give a little background on myself. Despite the confusion that might ensue as you view my pictures in the ‘About W.I.M.’ section, I am full black. That often enlists an argumentative response, so let me explain what I mean by ‘full black.’ My father is black, my mother is black, and my paternal grandparents on both sides are black. Meaning, as far as I know, no one up to this point in my family tree is mixed. My parents will have been married for 29 years this December. And I spent my entire life growing up in the suburbs, a point that might have merit later on. Anyway, anything else you’d like to know feel free to ask in the comment section below.

Statistically I have dated far more black or mixed black women than any other race of women. I’ll elaborate more on that in Part 2 of this series. However, I should point out that my first kiss was from a white girl. Her name was Cassie. I was in elementary school and we were standing in line for recess. For whatever reason, she took it upon herself to step out of line, walk right up to me and kiss me – right on the lips no less! Naturally, with my elementary reputation at stake, I vehemently albeit falsely accused of her of infecting me with cooties, but deep down inside, I knew I liked it. Unfortunately, she never tried to kiss me again and I was too fearful to return the favor. I might have thrown a few rocks at her and pushed her down on the playground though, which in my childish opinion clearly demonstrated that the affection was mutual. But I digress…

Without realizing it had Cassie changed the course of my entire life!? Was there no turning back? Had this woman of Caucasian decent predisposed me to a lifetime affliction of attraction to women of varying races? I don’t know. I’d hate to cite one single event in elementary school as having had such a powerful influence on my life, but they do say “everything you need to know, you learned in elementary school.”

Flashing forward, my “first” was white too. Yes, that first. Ironically, this was also the first white girl I ever dated. Until then, I had dated only black women. Not because that’s all I was willing to date – but because that’s really all I ever approached and that ever approached me.

I was young at that time but even now I haven’t found many of the stereotypical assessments of Caucasian, Hispanic, Latina, Black, Asian, or other races of women to be true. Of course, some are true – but it trends towards culture aspects, not predictable personalities. First and foremost, the uniting thread between all women – in my humble opinion – is that you are all crazy. So there’s always that.  I haven’t observed major differences in actions, emotions, reactions, and mannerisms that could be directly attributed to race alone. Even if true none have been significant enough for me to prefer one over the other simply based on their racially inherited trait – if such a thing exists.

Now I was well into college before I proactively “stopped” dating black women. I place stop in quotes because I never stopped completely. Instead I became more active in pursuing women of different races.

I don’t know why other black men stop dating black women or even date outside their race but I did it for a few reasons: 1) I was never predisposed to not dating women of differing nationalities. I’d always been attracted to all kinds of women. I had just never proactively pursued them (nor they me); 2) I grew tired of having to atone for the sins of all black men (mind you this was college). Admittedly, I was also filled with anger and disappointment with the lack of success many of my same-raced relationships were having. Please note that in my youthful ignorance, I attributed this to race instead of self-reflection and specific elements of those particular relationships; and 3) I was curious. Regardless of the reasons, once I began fully investigating these interests I was exceptionally successful. And, to this day, I have yet to return to limiting myself to dating only black women.

As you can see I have a lot to say on this topic, because there is a lot to be said – which is why I purposely chose to break it across three blogs. If you have anything to add or general feedback/questions at this point, please place them in the comment section below. I’ll answer as applicable and it’ll help guide my next few blogs.

Some questions I have for the readers thus far are: 1) What are your thoughts on interracial dating? Have you tried it? Why or why not? 2) If you have, were there noticeable differences? Such as? 3) Would you marry outside of your race? Or in your opinion, is love colorblind?

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  • Comment by Brian — July 23, 2010 @ 12:09 pm

    Married to a white woman. At the point we started dating, I had reached the point of “never going to date white women again” (but I hadn’t ruled out Latinas, Indians, all other Asian groups, or Native Americans). Funny enough, when we began dating, my wife was in a similar boat, no more dating black guys (or white women). Then we started dating. Go figure.

    There’s no physical or emotional difference–women are women, and each must be addressed individually (crazy or not). But choosing to go outside of the race does bring baggage, often other people’s. Love may be colorblind, but it can’t be culturally or socially blind, deaf and dumb. You have to go in with your eyes open, knowing that unless you live in a wholly interracial enclave, someone at some point will have something to say. You have to know that going in. That shouldn’t stop you from making that choice, but that has to be factored in.

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  • Comment by 12kyle — July 23, 2010 @ 12:13 pm

    Good post bruh

    First and foremost…I am ALL BLACK, too! Lmao!

    My experiences were different from yours. I grew up in SCarolina and I did go to school with a lot of white girls. Thus, I never was attracted to em and still don’t find em attractive.

    They were there in elementary school (60% black). The numbers dwindled when I got to middle school and high school (90% black). Then I went to South Carolina State University (HBCU). After leaving there, I moved to Atlanta. I haven’t been exposed to white women. I don’t knock bruthas who date em. But I don’t understand how bruthas say they WON’T date sistas. But like me, I guess it’s based on their experiences

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  • Comment by Brian — July 23, 2010 @ 12:26 pm

    @Brian: Also should have pointed out that I never stopped dating black women. College and working in restaurants put me in position to meet and date non-black women.

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  • Comment by wimadmin — July 23, 2010 @ 12:46 pm

    @Brian: Yeah, as I wrote about in my Im Too Old For this Shit serious though, I’m generally getting to old to date period. lol The whole process just gets on my nerves.

    And yeah, unfortunately you’re right about having to deal with other’s baggage, which is usually the case. I def wouldnt let that dictate who I’m going to date either. I can find plenty of flaws in lots of people without even needing to address the racial aspect. To me, it’s hard enough finding someone AND falling in love without adding additional complications to the formula.

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  • Comment by wimadmin — July 23, 2010 @ 12:48 pm

    @12kyle: Yeah we all have our preferences. But I really cant think of a race I’m NOT attracted to. This actually makes dating MORE complicated, because I essentially dont have a “type” other than ‘all attractive women.’

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  • Comment by swtstiletto — July 23, 2010 @ 12:52 pm

    I am a black woman who has never dated outside of my race. I can’t say it’s an intentional thing, I just have always been attracted to black men…typically, darker skinned black men. I have looked at men of other races and thought they were attractive, but it ends with seeing them as attractive.

    In high school, there were 2 different white guys that wanted to date me. One of which I thought was very cute, but the idea of actually dating him made me feel uncomfortable…I can’t explain why, it just did.

    I have never had a problem with black men who date outside non-black women as long as they don’t attempt to justify their choice to do so with negative comments about black women. Pursue who you choose…but don’t step on me (or my sistahs) along the way.

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  • Comment by and1grad — July 23, 2010 @ 1:01 pm

    My background is actually somewhat similar to yours. Grew up in large part in suburbs. I even knew a cutie named Cassie lol. Anyway, I have no predisposition to IR dating and I have done so. I like to say I’m EOE. I’ve noticed no meaningful differences b/w women that I could attribute just to race. Obviously, there’s cultural differences due to ethnicity differences but nothing on the “black women vs white women vs (other minority) women” tip. And DEFINITELY agree on their all being crazy.

    Lastly, I would marry outside my race and would also say love is colorblind.

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  • Comment by F_Uitlist — July 23, 2010 @ 1:05 pm

    Good Post.

    I have never dated a white man, and that has more to do with the fact that I’ve been with my husband since we were 15. I have though been heavily pursed by white boys/men. Especially in undergrad, but it just seemed to me they were more interested in the novelty of a Black woman from NY, more than the real me. I was able to find that out after a late night conversation with one of them. So besides the obvious hurdle of a boyfriend there was that.
    I don’t really have any issues with interracial dating, with all the mixing in my family that would be foolish. I do however have a problem with men/women that exclusively date outside of their race and make excuses why they do it. And also how sometimes their partner might react when outside of their safe doors. I’ve had some crazy experiences especially with Black man/ white woman couples but that’s another story.

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  • Comment by Dr. J (@DrJayJack) — July 23, 2010 @ 1:17 pm

    I have nothing else to add. Amen.

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  • Comment by wimadmin — July 23, 2010 @ 1:28 pm

    @swtstiletto: Re: “I have never had a problem with black men who date outside non-black women as long as they don’t attempt to justify their choice to do so with negative comments about black women. Pursue who you choose…but don’t step on me (or my sistahs) along the way” I agree this is key. I dated outside my race and still do, but it’s a personal decision. I dont hold anyone at fault or tear down others for my own decisions.

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  • Comment by Avery — July 23, 2010 @ 3:35 pm

    It’s interesting to read this as a black woman who has dated IR as well. Growing up in a mixed race suburbs, I was exposed to all races, but usually the black kids were not in the classes I took and were outside of my social circle as a result.

    The first guy I ever dated seriously was a popular white guy from my HS, and so for the rest of high school, I was known as “she only dates white guys,” and so that’s what I did. I then went to college at a small, liberal arts (read: very white, very moneyed) institution and there was very little dating across interracial lines, unless you were talking about black men dating outside of their race. It turns out wealthy white guys are really not trying to date black women (though I have dated a few trustfunder’s post-college, but not in a ‘serious’ way). My college experience jaded me a bit, and I soon only dated black guys, because that was what was available on the menu.

    Post graduation, I have been mostly involved with white guys. For me, the experience of having to deal with the black male ego on top of the general Gen Y bullshit overwhelms my bullshit detector and so they shy away when they realize I am not to be fucked with. And though white guys can also be on some bullshit, they tend to be a lot more honest about their intentions (or lack thereof). That sounds overly racist and stereotypical, and I cringe reading it, but that has been my experience.

    What I find particularly interesting, though, is that as a black man, you see little difference in the behaviors of women of other races you have dated whereas as a black woman who has dated interracially, I definitely think there is a noticeable difference in the way white men approach relationships as opposed to black men within the same general age range. Not sure if there is a point in this long winded overshare.

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  • Comment by Avery — July 23, 2010 @ 3:37 pm

    BTW – Are you from St. Louis? You look eerily similar to a friend I used to work with.

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  • Comment by wimadmin — July 23, 2010 @ 4:14 pm

    @Avery: Thanks for the comment. First, I’m not from St. Louis. I’m Texas born and raised. This person you’re referencing must have been quite good looking tho.

    Anywho, what you’ve touched on is a topic I plan to go into further on the next blog. That is to say I dont think the “differences” are as much influenced by race as they are by how you grew up. But to address your point, I think there are differences. I recognize this – but as a man (and I can only speak for myself) those differences arent enough to make me prefer one over the other based on race alone. I might not like a certain personality trait, but it’s certainly not limited to white, black or other women. Overall I think there are far more likenesses than differences, but that could just be me.

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  • Comment by Brian — July 23, 2010 @ 7:18 pm

    Avery:

    I find your comment about being classified as someone who only dates white interesting. I grew up in Prince George’s Co, MD (largest, most well-educated predominantly county in the nation) and South Central Los Angeles. Like WIM, my first sexual experience was with a white girl, but there was maaaaaannnnny years between it and my next. My childhood experience didn’t predispose me to dating white, but once you date a white person, especially after we reach sexual maturity, everything changes. The assumption is that you only have one gear, which isn’t true for anyone. I was classified like that for a while and my choice of spouse doesn’t do anything to dissuade the doubters. But the numbers don’t bear out the truth. Dating isn’t a sum zero game and too many factors go into how we choose mates to chalk it up to color.

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  • Comment by Danni — July 23, 2010 @ 9:06 pm

    This topic always freaks me out! People tend to get so sensitive when talking about interracial dating that I feel a need to take my heels off and stand right by the front door…just in case.

    I personally don’t have much of an issue with it. Love is hard enough to find (and keep) without limiting ourselves to one particular race. However, while I’ve been pursued by a few naturally untan men and a few Mexicanos, I’ve never dated outside my race. And I honestly cannot provide a reason why.

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  • Comment by kayer212@aol.com — July 25, 2010 @ 3:37 pm

    I have always dated black and white and others in between but at the end of the day..once you go white..that’s it. Have love for the brothas but..will give my love at the end of the day to a white guy..and lucky for me..they are happy to give me the love back..

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  • Comment by fixedwater — July 30, 2010 @ 9:44 pm

    IR dating has never been a hang up with me, i always wonder, sometimes aloud, why others have a problem with it (usually SBW re; BM and WW). it doesn’t bother me. what i have learned from my sistas with this issue is often they feel the WW has nothin on them in the looks dept. i still don’t care. my position is usually “i don’t want him, so why should i care.”
    as for me, i have had numerous crushes on WM but have never been approached by one that interested me. i have however kissed and gotten hot and heavy with a beautiful Cuban, but that went no where. i guess i’m saying i’m open to dating WM but have had little opportunity.

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  • Comment by Silke — August 29, 2010 @ 3:07 pm

    I am absolutely disappointed of the society in which I grew up and in which I trusted my whole life. Maybe it is because I am living in Germany and that there are still a lot of racists, but since I married a black man in May 2010 I lost contact to a lot of friends (because they told me I am stupid) and the situation to my family is very cruel as well.
    I would never ever change my opinion because with my husband I found the perfect person next to me. But I think there’s a big step to go until interracial dating is accepted here.
    But I think we did one step further and one day noone is watching anymore!! :)

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