Wisdom Is Misery

July7th

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A few years ago, a woman friend of mine told me the following:

“Men regret the women they did not sleep with, women regret the men they did sleep with.”

Thus, I guess it shouldn’t surprise me the many imaginative ways in which women calculate the number of men they quote un-quote “slept with.”

For example, I have a friendgirl who I know for a fact has slept with upwards of 15 guys. This is not an affront to her because that’s her business. What I do take issue with is the fact that if you ask her how many guys she’s slept with she will tell you with a straight face something in the single digits, like seven. Not because she has selective amnesia or anything but because she believes that most of the guys that drove her number upwards “don’t count.”

In a world that only a woman could understand; therefore, I am making no claims to understand because trust me I don’t, my friend only counts some of the guys she actually slept with as guys she’s really slept with. She has all kinds of convoluted theories and classifications for managing this deranged catalog system.

First and foremost, if she didn’t enjoy it, then it DEFINITELY doesn’t count. If it didn’t last a sufficient amount of time, that doesn’t count. If she didn’t like him, that doesn’t count. If she used to like him but she doesn’t like him anymore? Naturally, he is removed from the list. The conditions go on and on. Other instances include: if it happened while she was drunk; in a different area code; he had a small [Richard] or his [Richard] was indeed big, but he didn’t know how to work it; she had a cold; a sinus headache; a migraine; and/or it was nighttime and she was sniffling, sneezing, coughing, aching, had a stuffy head, fever and she couldn’t find her nighttime cold medicine and other nonsensical items of that nature. Of course, all those guys don’t count.

By my friend’s terms she can have sex with 500 dudes, yet somehow always remain in single digits. I haven’t talked to her lately; for all I know she might be a virgin again.

I’m using my friend as an example but I know this flawed premise applies to far more women than it should. For whatever reason women just hate to admit that they’ve ever had sexual intercourse with anyone, ever. And if they do, they’ll do everything short of lying on God’s name – though they’d probably do that too – to convince you that no matter how many guys they copulate with in real life in their heads that number never gets much higher than 10. There is just something about having sex partners in the double digit that naturally frightens women. Like kids with the Boogie Man, I guess.

Ladies, I’m sorry to be the one to break it to you but I can assure you that if a man has ever managed to insert his [Richard] into your vagina for longer than .000000000000000000001 milliseconds, it counts! Not only does it count but on everything I love he counts it, he might even count it twice! Thus, you better hope you him and the man you are lying to presently never run into each other because it’ll be awkward for everyone involved.

If you think I’m lying, I’ll use myself as an example. One time I “slept” with a girl for a sum total of maybe 1 and ½ strokes. Here’s what happened: I put it in and I was just about to go into full stroke number two when her friend bust into the room. She pushed me off her and ran away embarrassed and that was the end of that. Her roommate and I had a rather pleasant conversation though so all was not lost. As it turns out, I never saw this girl again but you know what?

I COUNT IT!

Namely because she was cute and she had a big booty, so why wouldn’t I? Granted, she probably considers me to be in the “he doesn’t count” category. But for her sake I hope we never cross paths because you can place all your money on me giving her the “yeah, I hit that” eye and she giving me the “O know you didn’t” stink face.

So ladies, what about you? Do you count all that have entered between your knees and beyond? Do you have rules to who does or does not count? Do you, like most of my lady friends, have two lists – the number of those you TECHNICALLY slept with and the number of those you consider yourself having ACTUALLY slept with. Please clarify in the comment section below. While you’re there, please also explain when you went crazy and discovered that you have subpar math skills.

Fellas, am I alone? Are there any women you’ve been with that you DON’T count? Sometimes I think about not counting the facially challenged ones but I’m the only one that knows for sure – and I will be taking that privileged information to my grave. Admittedly, I might deny it to their face if they ever tried to call me out on it in front of my boys though.

“MAN, I DIDN’T HAVE SEX WITH THAT GIRL! BELIEVE ME! BELIEVE ME!”

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  • Comment by Smarty P. Jones — July 8, 2010 @ 8:31 am

    You best believe it counts and that is why I choose to only go there with guys I’m sure about. Hell, if I had the stipulations some of these women you know seem to have, I’m a virgin. I’ve only been with five dudes and at least three were like watching paint dry. One I was totally, completely, utterly, foolishly in love with and the other, well, he was my version of Frosted Flakes, grrrrrrreat!
    Sex for women is different. It’s more about quality and/or dare I say emotions. I’ve always and will continue to say that if dude “breaches the perimeter,” it counts. Put a notch in the bed post, on your belt, move a counter on the abacus and drop a bean in the bucket. That mofo counts.

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  • Comment by L.Dejean — July 8, 2010 @ 8:34 am

    For whatever reason women just hate to admit that they’ve ever had sexual intercourse with anyone, ever. And if they do, they’ll do everything short of lying on God’s name – though they’d probably do that too – to convince you that no matter how many guys they copulate with in real life in their heads that number never gets much higher than 10.

    ^^^All aren’t like that…

    So ladies, what about you? I’m honest about my number, don’t see the need to fake the funk. I don’t see the point in lying, gotta let my doctors know so why not my sexual partners?

    Do you count all that have entered between your knees and beyond? If we actually had sex (penetration, pleasant or unpleasant), that person counts.

    Do you have rules to who does or does not count? As previously stated, if there was penetration, it counts.

    Do you, like most of my lady friends, have two lists – the number of those you TECHNICALLY slept with and the number of those you consider yourself having ACTUALLY slept with. I have 2 different lists but not that…there is actual intercourse & those where it was just oral/mutual masturbation (those were the days when i was just a V & that number is lower) *shrug*.

    Please also explain when you went crazy and discovered that you have subpar math skills. I’m terrible with math, so its easier for me just to be honest.

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  • Comment by Reina — July 8, 2010 @ 9:24 am

    I have never lied on my number, but my number is less than 10. However, if I ever break double digits, either I’m just not going to ever answer the question again or I’m going to eliminate a partner or two. I can think of two, definitely one, that shouldn’t count. I despise the fact that he can tell people he & I had sex. *shudders* Ish just pisses me off. I want to return to the past and slap myself.

    If I want to have sex with someone, I’m going to do it. Yet there have been times where there may have been a slight desire to sex this guy, but then I think “What if it sucks? I just wasted a number for nothing.” So I don’t take the chance. LOL

    Honestly, I believe men judge us by the number of partners we’ve had. For some reason, though men run through leagues of women, they want their wife to be as near virginal as possible. That’s why you get these men constantly saying “Man, she did this thing with her mouth. Where’d she learn to do that? Can’t wife her, son.”

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  • Comment by WisdomIsMisery — July 8, 2010 @ 11:03 am

    @Reina: Men who wont “wife” a woman because of her number or because she’s good @ a particular sex move with her mouth or other are insecure and pathetic. Especially if their number is exponentially larger than their wife to be. Not coincidentally, these are the same guys that complain or cheat because they arent satisfied by their ‘virginal’ type wife. You cant want a freak and a virgin in the same woman. Dudes need to get over themselves.

    Just my two cents.

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  • Comment by Dr. J — July 8, 2010 @ 11:19 am

    Funny that I wrote a post on this back in 2009, with same conclusion, this was before our upgrade so bear with us on the formatting. http://www.singleblackmale.org/2009/10/29/nope-doesnt-count/

    With that said, i’m a firm believer in a man’s right to deny everything, so I can’t get mad when women don’t count. Here’s what I recommend to most men, after you get to know a girl, come up with a number of guys that you think she slept with that doesn’t make you mad, convince yourself that that’s the amount of men she slept with.

    In my line of work, men don’t count things either, but it doesn’t have to do with the reasons that women do, it’s this one right here;

    Jax: what’s good?
    AJ: yo did you beat Anita?
    Jax: [long pause] nah, nah, who said I did?
    AJ: son, seriously, i’m thinking about wifing her down.
    Jax: nah, nothing happened. that’s a good look for you.

    or…

    Diana: I don’t like that girl. Did you sleep with her?
    Jax: No.
    Diana: Nothing happened?
    Jax: No.
    Diana: Because if you would mess with her, then I know you ain’t trying to talk to me.
    Jax: [reminds himself that if he tells three consecutive lies God will strike him down, and elects to remain silent.)

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  • Comment by Brian — July 8, 2010 @ 11:39 am

    Women w/ +10=whore; Men w/ +10=stud. This is why women have some funky mathematics. There is a stigma attached to how many people women have slept with. Yet in the same conversation, women will claim to love sex as much as men and pursue it with vigor. Guys want the experience of the knowledgeable woman, but are afraid of what that means (she’s been out there!). Can’t have it both ways, fellas. But that means women can’t conveniently drop those they feel bad about retrospectively.

    Maybe because I’m older, I have trouble believing women in their 30s with active dating histories and a certain level of interest in sex have numbers below double digits. Simple math goes like this: lose virginity before 20; has at least 2 “relationships” in college; serious relationship post college (1-2 years); 3 post-relationship situations; next serious relationship (1-3 years); 2 post-relationship situations. That’s 10, with no trips abroad, no affairs, no “lost” summers.

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  • Comment by max — July 8, 2010 @ 11:57 am

    I also wrote about this but my list of reasons wasn’t as Dr. J’s so I won’t bother posting a link.

    so there’s only one thing about this post that I disagree with…“There is just something about having sex partners in the double digit that naturally frightens women.”

    Actually – it frightens men. And maybe you’re right and it’s only pathetic and insecure men who are frightened by this. But even men who aren’t pathetic and insecure are making some kind of judgment about a woman’s number if it happens to be above whatever arbitrary standard he has deemed acceptable. So you can’t blame a gal for doing a little creative accounting.

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  • Comment by MadScientist7 — July 8, 2010 @ 11:57 am

    if you put it in it counts. plain and simple.

    question does oral sex count towards the overall number? cuz if so i would imagine that people’s numbers might triple. i for one count it. *shrug*

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  • Comment by Dr. J — July 8, 2010 @ 12:05 pm

    @ MadScientist -
    We came up with a 7:1 ratio in college (hey, it’s college). But later in life, i’ve found that some women find that more intimate than the traditional shoe clickers, so I put it at 2:1 now. Also meaning, I actually don’t think a lot of women’s number would triple.

    If you know any 20-something, 30-something women who are going oral over traditional, please let me know. I need to interview them.

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  • Comment by MadScientist7 — July 8, 2010 @ 12:13 pm

    @Dr. J-

    i will say that the majority of my partners and ones that i participated in oral sex are one in the same. there are a couple here and there but not any that i know of now. lol

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  • Comment by Reina — July 8, 2010 @ 12:14 pm

    @MadScientist:

    That would have no effect on my number, and considering my girlfriends & their adventures, I think “tripling” is overestimating.

    This question just made me remember college. Why were so many guys willing to just give oral sex? I could be walking to class, and some random guy would just offer it.

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  • Comment by WisdomIsMisery — July 8, 2010 @ 12:18 pm

    @max: I agree. Undoubtedly, most women’s complexes are caused or compounded by men. Present company included. IMO when it comes to women most men dont even realize how hard they make lives for themselves AND the next man. With that said, I still try not to judge based on something as abirtrary as what you did before you even met me, but I can only speak for myself.

    @taut: Ive never counted oral. IDK if women Ive been with did or did not. I wouldnt even know where to begin or end with that so Im just going to plead ignorance.

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  • Comment by Mark Dub — July 8, 2010 @ 12:23 pm

    I was once told that if a woman tells you the number of partners she’s had, multiply it by 3, and that will reveal something a bit closer. If a man tells you a number, divide it by 3, and you’d be pretty close. Does that sound about right, ladies & gents?

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  • Comment by WisdomIsMisery — July 8, 2010 @ 12:39 pm

    @DrJ: LMAO. Finally read your blog. Im mad we reached the SAME conclusions 2 years apart with almost the EXACT same “it doesnt count” criteria. That def says something about somebody **side eye @ all the women**

    @MarkDub: I wrote a blog about this before, cant link cuz Im on my phone so maybe later, BUT I try to avoid the question all together if at all possible. I dont care but my number’s relatively high by any1s standards – even my own. lol So I just advice women not to ask – but if they do, after I open with a disclamier, I tell them the number or a close estimate. Really, I stopped tracking it after college, didnt see the point.

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  • Comment by MadScientist7 — July 8, 2010 @ 12:49 pm

    @ Mark Dub-

    not for me. if i tell you my number (good luck with that) i’m not going to lie about that. i don’t see the point of inflating my number. i actually wish it were a little bit lower. i’ve taken down some women that i’m not too proud of and regretted.

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  • Comment by MadScientist7 — July 8, 2010 @ 12:51 pm

    @Reina-

    i think guys like this figure if they give you oral then you’ll be like well i’m so turned on i might as well let him have sex with me. #fail

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  • Comment by Reina — July 8, 2010 @ 12:56 pm

    @Mark

    You just like that saying b/c it lowers that ridiculous number of yours. I KNOW YOU, Deebo.

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  • Comment by Dr. J — July 8, 2010 @ 1:01 pm

    this is the best female answer i ever heard to the question, how many:

    “Do you want to know how many people I had sex with that meant somehting, or how many I had sex with once and never again, or just random fwb’s i had?”

    Look how she stratified her response? However, after hearing all that, I bet the guy is like, let me just leave this alone before I don’t get none tonight lol.

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  • Comment by Mark Dub — July 8, 2010 @ 1:05 pm

    @WIM: Man, I had a conversation w/one of my homegirls who ranted about how she wishes that she hadn’t been so loose in her youth. I was kind of feeling where she was coming from, and since we were tight like that, I asked her to tell me her count, if she didn’t mind. Bruh…when she told me her single-digit no., I laughed and told her that she was ridiculous. She was actually SWEATING having had a single-digit partner count. She asked me about my no., and I was suddenly awash with shame. I gave her a range, b/c I honestly couldn’t remember every encounter. She thought I was making the shit up. LOL

    @M-Scientist7: I feel that, man. I can’t front; I wish I could play “take-back” w/a few of them.

    @Reina: I acknowledge that for a period of time, I might have been whore-ibble, but the range I gave you (she’s not the friend referenced in the above paragraph) surely isn’t that ridiculous. Is it?

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  • Comment by WisdomIsMisery — July 8, 2010 @ 1:23 pm

    @Dr.J: Yeah, as I told @BetterGuyX on Twitter, I prefer ignorance for my bliss. Long as she tests come back clean we’re good to go. AND if she does tell me, I prefer over the phone. Less Im caught off guard and I give her “The Rock” eyebrow on accident. Then she starts crying like “you think Im a [garden utensil]! That’s an automatically red light in the red light/green light game. *sigh*

    @MarkDub: Mannnn youve got me dying over here but that is a good point. I need to implement the range system myself. I was pretty ummm ‘energetic’ in college and I let things get outta line. Still, good times were had soooo cup half full, cup half empty. lol

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  • Comment by L.Dejean — July 10, 2010 @ 4:01 pm

    @Mark Dub: That is not an exact science & you’re quoting American Pie 2! My number, if you multiply it by 3 would be ALL sorts of wrong & if you divide it by 3, it wouldn’t be a whole number…i just tell my real number & call it a day.

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  • Comment by Mark Dub — July 10, 2010 @ 7:41 pm

    @L. Dejean: Thanks. I had no clue about where that quote came from. However, it was a joke. That may be a badge of honor for younger guys; not so much to guys in my age bracket. And honestly, as “seasoned” as I may or may not be, I’d find it highly hypocritical to cast judgement on a woman about the number of partners she’s had. Hell, The only thing that might peak my curiousity was if she was a virgin.

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  • Comment by L.Dejean — July 10, 2010 @ 10:57 pm

    @Mark Dub: No problem, I’m a movie buff…I’m glad you didn’t take that quote seriously! Every time I watch that movie, I still tell the tv its not an exact science (though they claim it is…and don’t judge me for talkin to the tv). I don’t judge people when they can tell me their number but it does take me aback if they say “i don’t know”…someone I know did tell me that their number was in the 30′s and I was a bit shocked (hey, I was still a V then so anything more than 5 shocked me) but now it doesn’t phase me so much and I told the person to be safe when we had the discussion (they are married now).

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